The Importance of Taking Frequent Breaks with Dr. Mary Leung

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Come join me May 1st through the sixth so that you can rest rediscover your strengths, reconnect with yourself and those physicians like you who are ready to leave work at work. And re-energize. This is the invitation for you to make 2023 your year. Join me in Costa Rica in this really amazing, non-judgmental, intimate decision community.

I am gonna show you how to rest and how to recharge. Let's transform your brain. So that you can start to dream the life that you always wanted this year in 2023. I can't wait to learn all about what kind of year you're gonna have after this conference. Take care. Hello, hello. Welcome to Beyond ADHD, a Physician's Perspective.

I am Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh. I'm a family medicine physician practicing in rural Texas. I used to be hindered by my adhd, but I now. See it as a gift that helps me show up as a person. I was always meant to be both in my work and in a personal life. In the past two years, I've come to realize that unlearning some of my beliefs and some of my habits were just as important as learning the.

Hello. Hello. How are we doing today? I am so excited to have a dear friend with me, Dr. Mary Leung, and she is in New York, but. She is actually from Hong Kong and I am so excited to talk to her today. She's a, he heon physician who is actually helping other physicians start to live the life of their dreams.

So She herself is gonna tell us her journey, but she realized that charting was not the thing to do every day, all the time, . And so we are gonna have a conversation on why it is important to realize that it, you know, you can take breaks, you can reset, you can do things your way. And whether you have a D H D or.

You can still live the life of your dreams. And she's here to share her story and to share how she's now helping others do the same.

Dr. Mary Leung: Wow. Thank you for the amazing introduction. Time . Anytime.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Anytime, .

Dr. Mary Leung: All right. So I guess a little bit about myself. Yes. I grew up in Hong Kong and both. Parents of physicians, I mean, they're retired now.

But when I was growing up they would they, they really loved their career and what, what they, what they were doing. And sometimes they would talk about, Patients like what they would do with each other during dinnertime. So for me it was a natural exposure to medicine and being a doctor and I thought, you know, grow, growing up I was always taught to always help people, you know, whatever we can do to help, help.

And so it was just natural for me to to say, Hey you know what? I wanted to be a doctor too, just to help. And my parents never forced me into medicine. And my other siblings, they're not in medicine at all. And so I think this medical path was just a natural thing for me. I think it suits my personality too,

So so then fast forward to. 12th grade that my parents decided to send me to the United States to study. And that was 12th grade and of course, senior year in high school, it was kind of a cultural shock. And I went from not speaking English outside of English class at school to speaking English all the time.

And I remember I had to translate, you know, in my head from Cantonese to English before I, I would speak, you know, sentences and And I was taking all these advanced courses, American history, that I didn't know much about and applying to colleges all at the same time. So it was and of course living away from home.

So all these things came together. And I think even though it was quite a different and stressful year, it really helped. Who I am and it really make me grow a lot as a person.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: So, Mary, tell me during that time, did you decide which boarding school you wanted to go to or like how did you arrive which one you were coming in the US.

Dr. Mary Leung: Oh yeah, so I am I actually applied, so it was kind of like a college entrance process and so how I chose was I actually only applied to two boarding schools. And they're both in the, you know, northeast region new England region. And only because a couple of my friends went to those schools already.

So I was like, well, you know, I wanted to be with them. So I just applied to two. And I ex thankfully, actually, Accepted by both of them, and I just chose the one that my good friends were in . So

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Yeah. And that brings up a good point, right? Like that we sometimes become brave or, because, I mean, that's bravery and courageous to like uproot yourselves, especially your senior year when you're like, this is supposed to be the cheer year.

I'm just gonna write it out and like finish and then move on. Right? But. Yeah, you took a, a flinch, but then you did it with the knowing that I'm gonna go with my friends. Right. So like, It's always so amazing how, what we're able to do when we feel like there's a support system there. Even though, you know, you don't know exactly how things are gonna turn out, but you know that there might be one or two humans on the other side that you can lean into and then it'll work out, right?

So I think this is so true about life. I really think, and. and, and I think that's how you, you bet on yourself to come and do that. And then you bet on it's gonna work out. And then like you said, it was stressful, but you were seeing the big picture on the other side. Did you know you wanted to do med school at that time?

Or you were too young at that time, you think?

Dr. Mary Leung: Yeah, I think I can't exactly pinpoint when I wanted to become a doctor, but. Pretty young age, and I think at that time I was already, you know, pretty set on becoming one. And. You know, studying in the, in the US was kind of like part of the rite of passage.

And I think, you know, as you mentioned, I think we as human beings, we, you know, our desire to belong is very strong. You know, I, I, I think we're not designed to be alone. And so, you know, if we have some commonalities with other people, You know, we tend to lean for them. .

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Yeah. Awesome. Okay, so tell me, so you do all the things and then you, how did you get where, where did you end up doing residency and or when did you realize, okay, my God, this way of medicine, this charting thing, this is not my thing.

Dr. Mary Leung: Yeah, so so medical school and then residency, you know, I actually. Chose to be in New York because of my husband. And we met when we were in medical school and I mean, I was in medical school and he was in dental school at, at that time. And so because his family is from here, you know the New York area.

So, so I chose, okay, you know what since I already moved 8,000 miles away, I might as well be. Someone's family. And so, so I did and for residency and fellowship, I just, you know, stayed in the same program. I think at that time I didn't really realize charting was really a big thing because we never have a lot of patient load.

Like of course, inpatient. doing consultations was very busy. But, you know it was, I never really had the outpatient experience with a full load of patients. So only when I started to become an attending So after fellowship I took my first job, and this is still my first job. And that I joined five other physicians in the, in a group.

So it was a private group practice. And that, you know, several years later, it actually became a part of the hospital practice. So anyway when I first started, I already have some patients to start with. And three months after I was in the group one of the doctors retired. So I had even more patience.

And so very quickly I had a pretty full load. But at that time we were still using paper chart. . So with the paper charts, I'm those who actually still remember it's actually a lot more simple. And People actually tend to document less. And of course there would be a challenge to read some someone's handwriting sometimes, but it was, the charting time was pretty short and, and a lot of times you would just kind of jot notes down when you're seeing the patients because you would bring the physical paper chart with you.

So so charting wasn't really a big problem. At that time only when, maybe like about 10, 11 years ago when we transitioned to the electronic system that was, you know, that started to become a problem. I mean, I've used, you know, of course, electronic records before you, you know, even when I was in training.

And in the hospital too, but with a full load of patients. I mean, at that time I was seeing, you know, 25 to 30 patients at that time. And so electronic charting was really a big problem. And I think a couple things. It's like I, you know, I had the notion that, oh, I wanted the, the chart, my notes to be You know, need to very organized, very detailed.

And so, so that was one thing. Second thing was I had to believe that I had to keep my patients appointments as punctual or as on time as possible. So what ended up happening was that, oh, another, actually one more thing was I felt like I had to really. To show that I was paying full attention to my patients, and because of that, I felt like it was kind of rude to chart in front of the patients.

So all these things add together that I was sacrificing my charting time till the end of the day, you know, for a lot of the charts, not all the charts, but you know, probably sometimes even half the. And what ended up happening was even though my official on paper clinic day would end at four o'clock, I, I wouldn't, you know, go home until past seven.

And a lot of times I didn't even have my charge done. But I wanted to go home because my kids were young at that time and I wanted. Catch them a little bit and send them to bed and and I would, you know, do more charting. Most of the, the nights. And so, you know, that kind of went on the cycle started again and again and I was just, Really feeling tired.

I didn't feel like I had a life. I I, I felt like I wanted to quit many, many times. But then I felt stuck because I was like, well, you know, what else could I do? I, you know, we, we weren't financially capable of. Me not working. And then I also didn't want to move because I felt like I had my, you know, married family.

Now I had my new friends and I, and I just, you know, I, I felt belong here. And I mean, I still do, but at that time I just felt like, you know, to, for me to pick up everything to move, it was just too much for me. So, so that, you know I think that went on for quite a few years. Really. Until the pandemic hit , that's when everything happened.

Right. Everything on re said. Yeah. . Yeah. So, so the pandemic hit and then of course, you know, I was seeing a lot of oncology patients and and they, they had to, you know, Get treatment, get the chemotherapy. So we were trying to kind of just really choose or select who absolutely had to get chemotherapy.

to, to get therapy. And the other people, if we thought that they could delay or even switch to some oral regimen or something like that, we would try to do that just to minimize the hospital or, you know, the, the patient load. So at that time I was. On average, seeing about a third of the patients as opposed to my full load.

And I was able to get home on time or even earlier than on time and I, I was amazed. I was like, wow. That's what it feels like. You're like,

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: I can have a life ,

Dr. Mary Leung: yes. Well, I didn't really want the pandemic, but this actually opened my eyes to what feel like to be a human being again, to have life outside of work.

And, you know, I, at that time I picked up baking. I, you know, I was like doing all these things with my kids and, and it was, I, I felt even so I. You know, I mean, I did and I didn't realize how unhappy I was. And then in the pandemic, I actually felt like I lit up inside and I felt like, oh wow, you know, there, there was hope that I could actually enjoy medicine again and just have this little idea that what if I could feel the same way and.

Go home, you know, on time when the pandemic was over or when I had a full of patience again. So then at the same time is I was. Introduced to life coaching. I had no clue what that was. I thought coaching was just for sports, you know, for, you know for athletes. And so I was curious. So I, and, and then it was happened to be like physicians who were coaches.

And so then I joined a women physician coaching group program. And that really, Turned me upside down in a very, really, really good way. I just learned that, well, you know I'm actually in control a lot of the times and I also I get to decide how I feel based on how I view things. That really kind of, it makes sense, but then I never thought of it that way.

I mean, we were never taught that. We just, you know, we just think that, oh, you know, what our situation is is the cause of, you know, it's the cause of the problem. It's it's how we are. We can't really change things. But but what it's. Really important. It's actually how we view the situation. It's kind of like, you know, if it's snowing outside, like someone would think that, Hey, yay, you know, I can play in the snow with my dog.

Or another person would think that, oh no, you know, I have to shovel the snow. That that is really not a pleasant thing to do. You know? So, so I think how we view things is really affect how we feel. And so, so then I thought, well, . How about, you know, instead of having to chart all day on nights, you know, is it possible to, to actually cut down on my charting so I could go home on time and spend with my kids?

So at that time I was working with my coach and we were just really working on how. You know, how my day was structured and we figured out that a lot of the times was during first half of the day I was pretty good, you know, was able to keep up with the charting with the patients. But the second half of the day, what was happening was I was thinking that, oh, you know, I had half more days to to work.

Getting tired. I don't really want to do this much longer. And and so all these things just make me feel like. It was a burden and I was getting kind of frustrated. I was getting tired and I was shutting down mentally. So because of all that, that I was, you know, really slowing down physically and mentally.

And so I wasn't able to keep up with my charts and, and then of course, came the end of the day that I was even more tired, and And having a pile of charts to do, and I started to forget the details of the patients. I was like, okay who had a murmur again? Or, you know, like am I mixing little things up?

I mean, of course, major things I wouldn't mix up, but just tiny little things and, and, and so that got me even more frustrated, and, and so, so then, So then I was kind of redirected to say, okay, what do you ultimately want? So I really, my ultimate goal is really to spend more time with my family. So to do that is I had to go home on time.

And to be able to go home on time is I had to be you know, I have to finish my charts right. And so, so what kind of energy to use to finish a chart is actually I learned that in general there are, You know, positive energies and negative energies. So, you know, the negative type of energy or fuel are kind of like the stress, the frustration, the anger, you know, that those type of negative emotions as opposed to.

The positive emotions. Those are like the focused, determined gratitude content, you know, that those types. So and I also learned that the negative emotions, even though they can push you to do things, They don't last long, or, you know, you will feel even more burnt out after using them for a while.

So by choosing or deliberately to use the positive emotions, it's long lasting and it actually makes you feel happier, you know, afterwards. So my field was focused and. Determination that, you know, I, I have the, my end goal in mind. And and, and of course, you know, with the charting strategy is also important, but the mindset part is really what fuels everything, right?

And so so I focused on really seeing a patient doing the chart and and I decided that, you know what? I'm just going. be focused on that one patient at a time. So when when the patient is telling me things, it's okay to also, you know, Do my charts at the same time because it's all about that patient.

And it actually saves me time so I don't have to remember it afterwards or forget some things that the patient told me beforehand. So, so then just with more and more practice that I was slowly able to go home half an hour earlier, a little bit more, a little bit more, and now I'm actually going home, you know, as opposed to past seven and still.

Work to do. I'm going home five to five 30 with everything done. Awesome.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Wow. So many nuggets you gave in there. And I wanna point out some of the things, you know it's interesting how, like you just said, people will interpret. A certain situation differently, right? Like the pandemic is a neutral thing.

Like, but what you think of it made all the difference, right? Like one person could have thought this is the best thing ever. Kind of like what you thought, right? Or another person could have thought, this is the worst thing ever. Right. A and then that happens, right? But so for you, because you were a specialist and because of how dangerous the situation, procedures, and different things were you, your workload went to one third, right?

Mm-hmm. for me, being primary care doctor, my workload went up. It didn't go down. Mm-hmm. because, Because there was, we just had to be the front line as primary care doctor, right? So for me, it unraveled the situation of like, oh shit, I can't keep doing what I'm doing because this is not working out. And for you, it unraveled, oh my God, is this what life is supposed to be like?

And so it, it was like different thoughts, but they eventually both got us to the same thing, which. Are we practicing the way we want to practice? Like are we, like, who has ownership of our time? Right? Like, and why is somebody else's time more important than mine? .

Dr. Mary Leung: And I think yes, that's a very important thing and, and I think a lot of us feel like we blame that, oh, I don't have time, I don't have time to do this or that.

But in actuality is you know, we all have 24 hours a day and we actually. Get to take ownership of the time that we have and we get to plan, you know, what we want to do. And notice that I say get to not should or have to. It's like, you know, I feel like when we say we get to is that we, we are in control.

We, we, you know, we have a choice what you'll

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: do. Yes, exactly. And I think that statement that you just made is what makes all the difference when you decide. That you do have a choice and not making a decision is still a choice. And we don't realize that because I think in medicine we've been told always do first for the patient, always do da, da, da, da, da.

And. Yes, of course I wanna take care of my patients, but the day that I realized that I had to be the more important patient, that if I wasn't right then it didn't matter exactly how well I showed up for them because I wasn't Right. and, and not, and not right. As in like, you know, but you know what I mean?

If you're not rested, if you're not. A hundred percent happy that you're there. It over some, you don't even realize you're burned out at times because you've been doing, like you said, the same cycle over and over and over for a while. You thought this is the way it's, it's supposed to be, but then when you get a taste of what it could look like, then you're like, It doesn't have to be this way.

Like who taught us that we are supposed to do all this stuff outside of work? Like who, who, where, or how is this acceptable? Right,

Dr. Mary Leung: exactly. And it's just like, you know, as you mentioned that until we get better or get a taste of being better, we never realized how bad we were feeling. And, and a lot of us physicians, I think.

me included, that I didn't realize that I was burnt out, you know and you know, I was, you know, more angry. I was you know, just kind of more tend to really shorten temper. Although not show it all the time, you know? And, and I, you know, Just realized now that, hey, at that time I was really, really burnt out because I was not happy, I was dissatisfied, I was frustrated, stressed, all these things.

And and also it's like since I'm a hematologist, oncologist have to throw in this, it's like for example for patients with anemia, you know, they would be walking in, it's like, oh, I feel a little bit tired. And, and meanwhile they, they're very, very anemic to the point that. Actually want to think about doing a transfusion.

And but then since they're, you know, young, healthy, otherwise, I'm like, okay, you know, take some iron, you know and then we'll see you back in a couple weeks. Right? And so, so when they came back for follow-up, they're like, wow, I feel so much better. I didn't realize how bad I felt, and this happened over and over again, so I.

You know, and it's kind of like also with cataracts, right? You know, they didn't realize that they were seeing the different colors until they had the cataract surgery that, oh, it's like, oh wow, the wall, the wallpaper looks like that color. So I, I feel like yes, for me is, you know, with the pandemic, of course I did not want the pandemic to happen for People's Health, but for my experience, what's really an eye-opening experience and that.

I really think that everything happened for a reason and that I was also, you know, being introduced to coaching and I was able to change my clinic day really. 180 degrees and I, I now even have time to, you know I mean I, I had time to get my coaching certification and and also now helping other physicians to go through what I went through.

It's crazy how

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: we, you went from. Not having enough time to all of a sudden having all the time to even like become a coach yourself and help other people. So tell us what that's been

Dr. Mary Leung: like. Yeah, and I think also that how I feel is so much different from, say, if you asked me three years ago I think the most common emotions that I had up three years ago was I.

Stressed, I was overwhelmed, frustrated. And now I feel, I feel, you know, I really feel grateful. I feel content. I feel actually, you know, joy and even though I'm actually doing more things than before, I don't feel like I'm doing more things because to me, At work doing my full-time attending job, I am helping patients for the most part, the way that I want to help them.

And and I also get to connect with them in a human way, you know, more, more than just talking about their illness or dead diagnosis. And outside of work is I also get to do what I love to do. I just, you know, Discovered that I love coaching and for myself and to help other people. So, so this to me, does not feel like work.

And I, I really, I learn a lot and I learn a lot from, from, you know people I coach too. So I feel like this two-way street is really enriched me emotionally and mentally. And I also, you know, learned. Take good care of myself because you know, as you mentioned in the Be, you know, I always thought.

Really taking care of others first before me. I was like, I didn't have to take care of myself. What is that? And I would just be, you know, thinking about my patients, my family, friends, and without really taking good care of myself. And of course with coaching, I realized that. Hey, you know, we, we have to take care of ourselves first.

We have to, you know, otherwise we won't be able to give what we don't have. And if it's kind of like on the airplane, you know, they always tell us to put on. Our own oxygen mass before helping others put, put theirs on. So it's the same way that is, if you don't have the fuel to, to go on, if you're running dry, you just can't give your full, your best to your patients or your family.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Yes, that's, that's exactly what I always say. So tell me, was taking breaks one of the ways you took, you put your own oxygen on?

Dr. Mary Leung: Yes. So, So another thing that I learned is, you know, I, I, I used to think that I, I should just be going on, you know, especially at work. Just go straight and without any breaks because I would be saving time.

By not taking breaks. Like I would just be taking the absolute necessary bathroom breaks. That's before my bladder burst. And and sometimes I even think twice before going, so, so then I just realized that that wasn't really helpful because. As I was going on and on and on, I was just really getting tired and I was slowing down physically and mentally.

And and then I realized that, hey, you know what? , many things take breaks. Like, you know cars need a break to refuel. And you know, a lot of engines, they don't run all day, all night long. They need to be turned off. And so we, as you know, reliving breathing human beings, we gotta do the same. And I think a, a lot of actually, Companies, schools, they understand the concept, but maybe not so much in the medical field or in physicians.

You know, like schools, they have scheduled recess, lunchtime, right? A lot of big companies, they also have scheduled breaks, you know, lunchtime. But for some reason in the physician realm of things even though. Lunchtime is scheduled. A lot of times we choose not to take it because we thought that, oh, you know, we need to catch up this, catch up that, so that is really not healthy.

And I feel like, you know, with the break time of interrupting what you're doing constantly is you get to rest, you know, you get to rest your, your brain, you know, just to take a break because sometimes you don't realize that how overdrive your. You're, you know, really. Being in the state of so, so and especially physicians, like we think that we're super beings.

You know, we think that we're exempt from physical turmoils sometimes, you know, or we forget about that. We're human beings . So, so I think that's really important to, to take a break. And this is from me, the no break physician that had passed. Right? So taking a break you get to also, you know, recharge, you know just, just really Take taking even just a mental pause of what you're doing or just get up and walk.

You know, that, that really kind of like briefs, some fresh air and just simple things like that. It doesn't even have to be a long time. Like it could just be a couple minutes and then, and then you f you know, you feel refreshed and you know, then, then your brain can actually refocus. Better afterwards.

And, and also, you know, there is a chance for you to regroup. Kind of like even a, a quick chance for you to reflect on, oh, did I do this right? Or what if after the break, you know, maybe I wanna do things a little bit differently, you know, just have the time to, to pause and explore and and get ready to experiment something else if you need to.

And I think recharging our body is just so important that you know, we get drained and as we talked about earlier, that, you know, as we run dry, we really can't perform at the optimal. You know, situation that it's, it's just not very helpful for our patients or for people around us. So I think, you know, taking these scheduled breaks is very important.

And I also want to just quickly mention that. Even though it's important to take these scheduled breaks to, you know, reset, recharge, renew, re refuel, it is important to minimize the unscheduled breaks. So the unscheduled breaks that I refer to are like say if you get interrupted by. Your coworkers unexpectedly, or if your mind is wandering off and thinking that, oh, you know, what is on social media, a Facebook, or, oh, I heard this email notification.

Let me go check my email. So those are kind of the unscheduled pricks. And if. Kind of entertain the, your mind to go ahead and do that. You'll end up, you know, being distracted and you'll end up taking more time to finish the work.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Yes, those are such important nuggets. Again, if you have a D h D or not, if you implement these strategies, they can really make a difference.

Like we all get into this like, routine, routine, routine, which routines can be very. Fault, but when we are not slowing down enough to reevaluate whether that routine is actually. Helping us and providing us, refueling us with energy or if it's actually taking away from us. And, and then if you don't give yourself that space, you might miss it.

And so you're so right about the breaks. Like most of us wanna keep going, going, going, because we think we're in the flow, but we don't realize we're. walking at like, you know, turtle speed. Mm-hmm. instead of like just, you know, rabbit speed or whatever speed you wanna be at. And, and, and realizing that some days we are gonna be at turtle speed and that's okay.

And some days we're at rabbit speed and, and it is what it is. But realizing that, You are choosing, or you're conscious, or you're aware that you are doing what is supported for you makes a big difference. So, Mary, where can people find you? Because I'm sure they're like, okay, I gotta, I gotta learn more about her.

We gotta work together, we gotta do some things. Tell me what, where can they find you?

Dr. Mary Leung: Yeah, so thank you. So I have the website is www.shiningwithgratitudemd.com and cuz you know, I, I have that name. It's because I really feel so grateful and I just want everyone to feel the same that. That we're just thankful for our situation, good or bad, because it's always teaching us something.

And and I always feel like we can choose to be grateful for whatever is, you know, coming to us and we can work hard to improve our lives. And so, so that's my website and I offer one-on-one coaching for physicians. And you can also find me on Facebook, Mary Lung, and LinkedIn at Mary Lung.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Awesome. So I always ask this question of my, of my guests. So let's say that my my listeners just tuned in. Cause you know, we have wondering attention. What is one nugget you want them to take away?

Dr. Mary Leung: There's so many nuggets, right? . So I think the one thing is that you are in control. I think that, you know, even though there are situations, of course there are things that we cannot control, but just control what you can control because there are actually, if you explore it there are more things that you can do than you.

Than you think at first. And and for whatever things that you cannot control, don't argue with it. But just think of ways that what you can do to improve the situation if it's something that is, you know, according to your plan.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Awesome. So be flexible, but also have a plan in mind so that you can try to get to your destination.

Yeah. So for in the next three years, what do you hope to do for fun?

Dr. Mary Leung: For fun, well, I always love to spend time with my family. I love traveling and so I would like to travel more and and of course, you know, to visit my family in Hong Kong. And just to go to different places before my kids grow up and go to college.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us and giving us your story. And as you heard it, guys and girls It is important to realize we all have a story and our story matters, and we can change your story if we don't like the way it's going, right? Like that's the thing we, we don't, sometimes we don't even realize that we didn't like the way it was going, right?

We have no awareness. But what if we could find ways? To work smarter instead of harder because all of us became physicians. Or by working hard. I mean, even if, you know, us, Mary had two parents with who were physicians and some of us have never had that opportunity and we didn't even know what we were walking into.

But Came through because we put in the work that, and, and now what about we put in the work so we can actually enjoy what we're doing, like and so that it could be easy or easier or it could feel like, it feels to marry and me that this is fun. Like we get to design it and, and have that privilege to support others to practice medicine also in their

Dr. Mary Leung: own.

Yes. And, and yes, it is possible to enjoy life and medicine again.

Dr. Diana Mercado-Marmarosh: Thank you so much. Thank

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